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Thursday, December 18, 2014

Which Way ADDA? Pt 6 - The Stench of Fear Hits the Trenches


Monday night's ADDA Board Meeting saw AFSCME's response to the growing organic movement to disaffiliate from the big labor group roundly decimated by ADDA President Marc Debbaudt. With Jeff McGrath's proposed "special membership meeting" that would have denied DDAs a vote on disaffiliation having previously been eliminated, it fell to AFSCME's Cheryl Parisi and McGrath to try to convince those in attendance that remaining tied to AFSCME is the better route for DDAs. The AFSCME promise is higher pay and better workplace conditions because of AFSCME's "political influence."

Those in attendance reported a sense of desperation if not fear from Parisi and McGrath. For Parisi, the loss of DDA representation goes far beyond the $365,000 that AFSCME takes in dues annually; it challenges her credibility and viability as a rising star in organized labor. The stakes are high for Parisi, and that doubtless led her to make some fairly wild and somewhat childish claims.

Perhaps the most pathetic claim was that AFSCME's recent political and economic support for the campaigns of two newly-elected LA County Board Supervisors, Sheila Kuehl and Hilda Solis, would make pay increases for DDAs a done deal. The implication is that these new supervisors would be more 'big labor friendly' than outgoing uber-liberals Zev Yaroslavsky and Gloria Molina. That claim  is laughable; both Yaroslavsky and Molina were every bit as 'big labor friendly' as their successors.

If the crass in-artfulness Parisi's claim is not a big enough red flag for DDAs that the corruption ridden AFSCME is the wrong choice for a law enforcement oriented organization like the ADDA, then their bald-faced suggestion that there is a "pay to play" relationship between AFSCME and Supervisors Kuehl and Solis surely is the best indication that the kind of people who run AFSCME are not suited to the ethics and standards of DDAs.

Perhaps Parisi was blindsided by the way that Debbaudt tore each and every one of her claims to shreds. After all, it's not like AFSCME represents any other group that consists entirely of post-graduate members. AFSCME is at its essence a blue collar union and the majority of its membership are, perhaps, more inclined to drink the AFSCME Koolaid without question.

Good union soldiers or "bothers and sisters," are expected to roll over and tow the union line. Independent thought is not the "union way" and is actually barred under "union rules."Debbaudt explains this in his recent missive "DDAs To Be Inundated By Messages From Non-Stakeholders." True to Debbaudt's prediction, the first such message arrived by mail Wednesday.


The letter from unions representing Deputy Sheriffs, Probation Officers, and County Firefighters, repeats the same facile, simplistic rhetoric of Parisi, she may well have dictated, printed and mailed it for them. It is well known that the only one of these three organizations that is represented by AFSCME (Deputy Probation Officers) is very dissatisfied with the way AFSCME has represented them. Yet, here's a letter from them and others extolling the virtues of AFSCME and promising that "Pay to Play" is going to fix all your concerns. Even if ALADS, DPOs and Firefighters privately believe that AFSCME sucks, they cannot say that. Is that the kind of organization DDAs want to be associated with?


Yes folks, this is the "union way" and AFSCME is running scared because the overwhelming response to AFSCME, Parisi and McGrath from DDAs is to disaffiliate. DDAs need to terminate this unholy alliance before it's too late.

Ballots are in the mail, please let the Dragnet know when you receive them.

&tc.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

Your point about AFSCME being a blue collar union is well taken. Most of the workers represented by AFSCME have low skills, poor education and no sympathy for professionals like DDAs. A $17.50/hr cleaner is hardly likely to support pay increases to DDAs. If AFSCME has any clout with the two supervisors they claim to own, then expect to see cleaners and custodians reaping the benefits of any improvements. DDAs can eat cake.

Anonymous said...

Interesting point about AFSCME being just a blue collar union. But lets face it, there are alot of "blue collar unions" that can really kick ass (look at some of the local POAs)

The real issue is what does the the disaffiliation crowd plan to do with the money. If its just an orgy of lawsuits and Steve Ipsens legal fees, then this disaffiliation stuff is a load of crap

Anonymous said...

11:15am. I think the point Is that DDAs are poorly served by big blue collar unions. For the past 3 years AFSCME couldn't give a crap about DDAs, and rolled over on the COLA probably because they think DDAs make enough money already. As for the "kick ass" POA's, non are represented by AFSCME except for the poor old Deputy Probation Officers, and they would love to disaffiliate from AFSCME, but it's too late for them.

As for the lawsuit stuff, if Debbaudt leads DDAs down that path, he knows where that will end. It's worth giving him a chance, he couldn't do worse than AFSCME.

nohumansinvolved said...

FRAUD ALERT: Ralph Miller, the President of the Probation union, the Vice President of AFSCME International, told us that his electronic signature was used without his permission or authorization to sign the letter that AFSCME sent. This is the equivalent of forgery. The Rules of the Coalitition, The County Fed, the AFL-CIO that members are not permitted to criticize other unions in the coalition and must come to their aid or be sanctioned. Perhaps Mr. Miller would have been compelled to sign that letter. BUT THE FACT IS HE DIDN'T. The audacity of ASCME to send THAT LETTER which is a fraud is reason enough to choose to withdraw. They dirty us by their transparent campaigning corruption and lack of integrity!!

Marc Debbaudt

Anonymous said...

You're dodging the question on the lawsuit orgy and Ipsen's legal fees. This disaffiliate stuff is starting to sound like a bill of goods.

nohumansinvolved said...

"I DON'T RECALL." That was Tris Carpenter's response which proved to be one of the biggest moments at the meeting. I argued after AFSCME was done that if you read Steve Dickman's open letter on our website ADDAmembersfordisaffiliatipn.com then you know Dickman stated that Tris Carpenter our business representative told Dicknan essentially that AFSCME had no clout with the County and that DDAs already make a lot of money. At the end John Lewin directly and pointedly asked Tris Carpenter if that was true. Did he tell Dickman that AFSCME had no clout and that we make too much money? Tris Carpenter's response was not a denial. It was remiscent of the maid in the OJ case. His answer was: "I DON'T RECALL." This is who we want to represent us? This is the "powerhouse" no clout union we want to permanently merge into? I don't think so.
Marc Debbaudt

Anonymous said...

2:38pm, you are beginning to sound like McGrath. Guess you were so busy trying to sow the seeds of doubt that you missed Debbaudt's bombshell- freakin FRAUD by ASSME. It's over McGrath, first order of business after ASSME is dumped should be to call for your resignation. Have you no honor? Does anything go as long as its in the name of ASSME?

Anonymous said...

I smell a rat here. First of all Berger blogs about the ALADS/Probation/Firefighters letter that nobody else has said they received, then he opined that Parisi wrote the letter, and then what do you know, Debbaudt pops up and says the letter is a fraud by AFSCME. All a little too convenient don't ya think?

nohumansinvolved said...

All lawsuits are over or coming to an end. Those days are past!
Marc Debbaudt

nohumansinvolved said...

Steve Dickman's letter states that the AFSCME business representative Tris Carpenter admitted to Dickman that AFSCME has no clout with the county and that Tris Caroenter believes we already make a lot of money and basically shouldn't be complaining. At the AGFCME presentation John Lewin asked Tris Carpenter pointedly and directly: "Is that True? Did you tell Dickman that AFSCME had no Clout and that you believe we already make plenty?" Carpenter did not deny it. His response was: "I don't recall."

Anonymous said...

Umm. . . .so a labor leader's signature was signed onto a pro-labor coalition letter that he was otherwise obligated by a labor agreement to sign in the first place.

Yep, this is a bombshell. As Montoya said in The Princess Bride, "I do not think you know what this word means."

Anonymous said...

Penal Code 470(b) Every person who, with the intent to defraud, counterfeits or forges the seal or handwriting of another is guilty of forgery.

Sounds like a referral to the Public Integrity Division is appropriate here.

Anonymous said...

6:45 PM--they used someone's signature without his permission to persuade you and others to vote for them. That's deception, a lie, forgery, misrepresentation, voter fraud, duplicity...it's wrong and one would think most prosecutors would be appalled. Do you really want to be part of an organization that has a history of corruption and then demonstrates it in the most important decision concerning them? It really doesn't matter whether had they gone thru the proper channels they could have forced him to sign. They didn't. They lied to you to get you to do something for them. To get you to keep giving them your money.

Anonymous said...

Ralph Miller, The President of the Prbation Union, and a Vice President of AFSCME International, was the person who told ADDA not to join AFSCME Council 36 in the first place. The ADDA under Steve Ipsen didn't losten to him. There is no way he would sign that later. He thinks AFSCME Council 36 is worthless. The fact that AFSCMcouldn't get him to sign it and had to forge his name shows how corrupt and desperate they are.